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  Most solid evidence I've seen linking WT to Mason, somebody try to debunk this lol

  by EndofMysteries in

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  what is in the background?????.

  now read what was released and given to all convention attenders about the building of his gravesite, about what's inside it, and about who owns all the land.

  from the book called souvenir report of the bible student's convention jan. 2-5, 1919 link:.

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  Christ Alone

  Here is the link:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/98890/1/Heres-PROOF-that-Charles-Taze-Russell-Was-NOT-a-Pennsylvania-Freemason

  Here is a link that contains a ton of Russell freemason investigation links. Going through it, it seems clear to me that Russell was not a mason:

  http://ctr.reslight.net/?p=1734

  and this one:

  http://pastorrussell.blogspot.com/2008/09/was-charles-taze-russell-mason.html

  I posted this last link with reservations. It's a JW site, but it does have some good evidences regarding the claim that Russell was a mason. There also is a lot of copy/paste stuff about other subjects from the WT. But the Russell/Mason link is well done.
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  Most solid evidence I've seen linking WT to Mason, somebody try to debunk this lol

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  what is in the background?????.

  now read what was released and given to all convention attenders about the building of his gravesite, about what's inside it, and about who owns all the land.

  from the book called souvenir report of the bible student's convention jan. 2-5, 1919 link:.

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  Christ Alone

  I used to be on the Russell was a freemason bandwagon too. But the facts just don't fit. Russell thought the Mason's were right in some areas, and so he made the comment that Bible Students WERE Masons, and their foundation and Chief Mason was Jesus Christ.

  But if you go on to read further, Russell shows that he is was not a mason in the sense of actually belonging to the organization of Masons. There have been SEVERAL threads on this site debunking the whole thing. C.T Russell was not an official freemason. He thought that the term "Mason" applied to all those that had rejected Christendom and had Christ as their "master worker" and "Chief Mason".

  Also, Barbara Anderson actually wrote the Masons and they confirmed that C.T Russell was never an official Mason. I can't find the thread, but if someone could post it, that would help.
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  Now that they finally admitted that the Faithful & Dicsreet Slave is ONLY the Governing Body what now?

  by baltar447 in

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  any thoughts on the rammifications of this?.

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  Christ Alone

  Whoa...sorry for speaking too soon. Can't wait for that to be in print. That's actually some HUGE new light. Although the GB has always claimed to represent the Faithful and Discreet Slave, they've never said that the other anointeds were NOT the FDS. Implications? I don't see much except that many that were anointed and felt that they had an equal say over "spiritual food" will no longer be given that consideration by other rank and files. I guess the implications aren't that great. At least that I can see. But it sure does strengthen the CULT argument.

  I'd like to hear what Recovery thinks about this. I assume he'll probably say "I won't believe it til I see it." But I'm sure that once the article is written, Recovery will fight just as hard to preach that this new view is correct as he was when it was "old light". Typical.

  I find it interesting that they officially don't believe in Apostolic succession (see the reasoning book), yet when trying to garner support and proof of the GB, they turn to Acts 15 where the apostles met together to show that they too are doing the same thing. Sounds like a distinction without a differenece to me.
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  Now that they finally admitted that the Faithful & Dicsreet Slave is ONLY the Governing Body what now?

  by baltar447 in

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  any thoughts on the rammifications of this?.

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  Christ Alone

  This sounds like an unfounded rumor to me. I've never seen this in print.
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  Recovery - Why so much intellectual dishonesty?

  by tootired2care in

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  2. beliefs

  recovery likes to point out little nit-picky technical with the jwfacts.com website.

  recovery to me is aptly described in jesus illustration as the one who strains the gnat but gulps the camel.. why can't he acknowledge any of the responses and evidence presented to his questions in the threads that he's created?

  furthermore why doesn't recovery use the same critical standard on the organization that has claimed to be selected by christ and is spirit directed?

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  Christ Alone

  Recovery, you quoted C.T. Russell and a quote from the WT ABOUT C.T Russell. Where can you find in recent times where the WT has said that what it says should not be considered as facts?!?
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  “We will decide who is a predator!” – New Watchtower Instructions to Elders on Child Abuse

  by Jaime l de Aragon in

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  must read on jehovahs witnesses watchtower arrogance in failure to warn of congregation pedophiles.. http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/we-will-decide-who-is-a-predator-new-watchtower-instructions-to-elders-on-child-abuse?fb_action_ids=10151270345663993&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582.

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  Christ Alone

  There IS a positive in this. I don't know if this is new, but it looks new to me. It says:

  If two persons are witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of

  wrongdoing, their testimony can be deemed sufficient to take judicial action.

  Obviously this is still miles away from being the ideal thing to do. But at least it looks like the policy is changing a bit. I always argued, "How many times is there 2 witnesses to a single child molestation?" So at least there is this. YES, it has to be 2 kids that get it, but at least some steps are being made.

  This also is new:

  Because of the delicate nature of handling a judicial case where an

  adult sexually abuses a child, please contact your circuit overseer. He will designate an experienced elder from your circuit to serve as chairman of the judicial committee.

  Obviously they are getting tired of the elders that scew up their image with the public. But at least they are seeing that these cases will now be made public more often and are trying to make sure the right thing is done, according to their policies.

  Unless I missed it there is still no direct instructions that the matter should always be reported to the police. Things seem to be changing, but not quite enough.
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  The Black Cat Analogy

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  Christ Alone

  How to trap an atheist: Serve him a fine meal, then ask him if he believes there is a cook
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  Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

  by Leolaia in

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  there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

  in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

  he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

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  Christ Alone

  KS, bethel didn't change it's drinking policies. I was there when I was 21. What they do is on your 21st birthday, your bethel overseer sets up a meeting with you to talk about alcohol. Mine was about 5 mins. He read the scripture in Psalms that says that wine makes man rejoice. Basically he told me "Set your limit and don't exceed it. Have fun tonight!"

  Alcohol was HUUUUGGGGEEE at bethel.
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  Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

  in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

  he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

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  Christ Alone

  I don't know the end of this story, but I'm going to give a good guess. Is this where they instituted the df'ing policy?
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  Recovery

  by wha happened? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some time ago, i was finally sick and tired of being sick and tired, so i quit drinking.

  i have 27 months without a drop and things are much much better.

  i started to slack off on the meetings and my excuse was always, i'm better so the gap between meetings isn't as big a deal.

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  Christ Alone

  hahaha, I opened this thinking it was yet another thread about Recovery the JW. Congrats on your real recovery!!!